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  1. Hmm... Since they were actual immortal people it would be more difficult to brush them off the same way people dismiss gods and other heavenly entities. It looks like the old religions became less and less relevant, resulting in a reduced need for the druids. Kind of makes you wonder what happened to Talia and Devin though.
  2. In the same game Haurvatat appeared also outside of New Witchwood, if you did the ruby slippers quest. I don't think there was any worshiping going on there either. I believe there may have been a third incident but I can't remember.
  3. daeva_agas wrote: I remember this happening somewhere too. Poor Mountain King, no appreciation. Yeah... I wouldn't be comfortable if that person was in charge of my universe. Not to mention the Oracle seems to have a hard time reversing these actions without help. Maybe some mortal should take over the Oracle's job. I'm guessing the immortality, omniscience, and omnipresence as a general rule, but also it could be more of a title, like they are ultimately The Ones In Charge by some kind of divine law, and not necessarily by definition. Even though Gyendal and any number of lesser spirits and gods may or may not be more powerful than the Oracle, she is still the Oracle, without reason or option. Iniga wrote: I want you to think about what you've just said.
  4. Crazier. I think crazier. But I like the way you think. The oracle only took her daughters away after YOU vanquish them and make things right. She sorta slides in and takes the glory for a victory that she didn't really help with. THANKS FOR NOTHING (Speaking of the Snow Queen, what the heck happened to the poor Mountain King and why did no one address it? In AV1 the Snow Queen was a mystical ruler of the snowy Mists. WAIT. Maybe the Oracle brought her back there at the end. Hmmm.) It makes sense that a god with power who was obviously real and not just a legend would not just give up and fade away. "I'm done healing everybody. They can just go suffer from now on." Theory A: She's reincarnated as the strongest healers of all time. Instead of Iya, why not Nicolas? Although... his attitude left something to be desired... but it would make more sense for her to come back as a healer. Iya, though sweet and concerned, did not have healing powers, but it's still possible. If she was once mortal, why not become mortal again? Theory B: She changed tactics. Perhaps she is the one in charge of the Karma system, rewarding people for good deeds without speaking to them, sort of like Earthly religions. The most likely scenario but also somewhat boring. Theory C: Some tragic misadventure resulted in Haurvatat's fall from grace? OoooOOOOooo
  5. Haha yes, only shows up to say "Thanks for doing my work for me, here have a level, good dog" In real-life religions the gods depend on mortals to carry out their work and deliver their messages. It's been suggested that higher beings cannot or will not interfere with worldly conflicts because humanity must overcome these challenges by themselves. I think the situation with Haurvatat is something along those lines. Though Haurvatat DOES sort of interfere with her reward system. Some things are just meant to be mysterious I guess? RE: Haurvatat's former life, it is an interesting idea. I always thought the gods would have subscribed to the classic eternally existent story. If she were human, somehow I can't really see her in the role of a traditional healer in the mortal realm, even though Haurvatat is the goddess of healing. From what little we've seen of her, she just doesn't seem very stationary. I don't know why I have attached so much character to her since she only says about two lines but from the way she goes out of her way to reward those who help others, rather than waiting in the afterlife to reward them then, I feel like sitting around waiting for patients to come to her isn't her style. I could see her as a missionary, or something that involves going to the problem rather than waiting for it. Unfortunately we can't infer much from her appearance because in Av1 she uses a default angel sprite. By contrast the Oracle does not move from her temple except for that one time when the empress called her. Honestly I like Haurvatat a lot more than I like the Oracle
  6. Regardless of what is or is not "fact" ie intended by the creators of Aveyond, a work of fiction is up for interpretation by anyone. Sometimes making up your own explanations makes it more enjoyable. This thread is not about stating The Absolute Facts. It's an open discussion. (Okay I didn't make the thread so I can't really speak for the purpose of the thread but that is what I was hoping we were going for) Avrail being the goddess is my new headcanon. That transformation would make one awesome story/game. The Oracle said the nymphs were her daughters, and that she was the mother of all. This could be a symbolic or adoptive relationship that she refers to; she does look after the Aveyond universe which is a mother role. She does not also have to have necessarily created it. I do recall someone in one of the towns in Aveyond 1 saying a god founded the village (not sure if it was Haurvatat or Ahurani?). I don't know if the god had to be mortal to do that. S/he could simply have been working alongside humans for a short period of time. As the goddess of healing, I can see how Haurvatat would have a more direct relationship with the mortal realm. This makes her a pretty cool character in my opinion. Compare the Oracle, who lives on Aia but doesn't help at all.
  7. Re: Acropolis, it's obviously a Greek-inspired town, but I don't think it was named after a specific place in Greece. The name means high city which I always thought was meant to be taken in direct contrast to "Underfall". I forgot about Hercules. Even though we see direct evidence that the Greco-Roman pantheon influenced some aspects of that game I can't really wrap my head around it. Assuming Earth doesn't exist in this universe, why should Earthly gods exist there? It makes sense from an Earthly perspective that faiths and worship changes, especially when you think the games often take place generations (up to hundreds of years) apart. However, what confuses me is that they aren't faiths, they're real! How can a real live god just change like that? I get the whole concept of losing power when people don't believe in you, but since Haurvatat and the Goddess were in the habit of appearing in the flesh to human witnesses, how can people just stop believing in them? I get that some people just refuse to believe sometimes, but it seems that if the gods appear regularly enough, everyone should at least know someone who's seen the (G)oddess in question, thereby proving her existence? Self-fulfilling paradoxes make my head hurt. :/
  8. Well that... just... blows a big hole in that theory D: However it's possible that, like you said, after the oracle revealed that she and the Goddess were the same person, maybe all the Arishta Isles people were so mind-blown that they immediately built her all those statues and donation boxes and apparently forgot about their other gods. (She doesn't say she's the Goddess but she does admit to being the "mother of all".) I think the fact that Haurvatat (and Ahurani) is so poorly-documented makes her all the more interesting. We never see her take on any administrative roles, she just kind of appears like a tooth fairy and blesses the party. Maybe she's more like an "angel of healing" than a "goddess of healing." Ahurani, again, isn't seen at all, and all this only leaves us to wonder about what kind of hierarchy or pantheon they had going on. Looking through the posts on the "name origins" thread, I think it's weird that things like the Apollo bow and Zeus armor existed, because presumably, the people in Aia don't believe in either Apollo or Zeus. However, the Greco-Roman pantheon has been incorporated into many fantasy worlds in the past without always being a religion. Maybe Apollo and/or Zeus and/or anyone else were actually real people in Aia.
  9. Yes! *clappy hands* Wow that thought about the Arishta Isles is quite intuitive, NEVER would have made that connection, but it makes complete sense, evolution-wise. It's funny though because in Av2 we see that the Goddess is *real*, not just the product of superstition among the characters, which makes me wonder why she never revealed herself to the Arishta Isles, or involved herself in the culture there. Similarly, in AV1 we see Haurvatat, goddess of healing. If she is real, why not show up on the mainland sometime? The god of harvest, Ahurani, is mentioned but never makes an appearance. I think there might be another one that I'm forgetting. In some real-world religions different gods have dominion over different regions. The gods/Goddess perhaps are unable to leave their territory. Of course the Oracle appears in Aveyond, too, so IF the Goddess and the Oracle are really the same person, then that is the Goddess taking on a lesser role in another culture, allowing the local gods to govern, but still keeping tabs on what's going on, which is kinda cool. Since the Aveyond universe ("Aia" ) is a magical one, and mystical events are presented as fact rather than a matter of faith, I feel like "religion" isn't really the best word here, but it works. Since everything is real there is never any argument about what anyone believes. Therefore, a crossover of religions could be a peaceful event, an exploration rather than a cause for war. I think this would make for an interesting game. Idk am I taking this too far?
  10. The names without origins are just as important as those with. I think it's important for clarity's sake to take note of the names that don't have meanings. It's a strange juxtaposition to have two figures of equal importance, like Haurvatat and Ahurani, one with a background and one without.
  11. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone's explained the name of Eithera, druid of strength. I don't have an explanation myself, unless it comes from Ether or Aether, the fifth classical element meaning spirit or quintessence. I'd be very interested to learn more about Aveyond's in-game religion as they don't explain it much. They only mention two gods, Haurvatat and Ahurani, and the latter they never even explain his domain or powers. The "Goddess" figure is mentioned in Ahriman's Prophecy and in the later games but left out of AV1 for some reason. Don't even get me started on AP names. Did you know the Elf Queen's name was Vlissre? Explain THAT to me.
  12. Hiii... I'm not really new, I'm a long-term lurker, but I love the games of course and I'd love a chance to talk about them as I've played and replayed the Aveyond series about 384857 times (most recently AP).
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