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Depends on what you mean by legalizing and what it entails. Are the prostitutes going to be required to go through STD checks, get enough protection from their pimps and customers, and in a nutshell be safe? Are the customers going to be safe?

 

If legalizing prostitution means the prostitute is just a sex slave with no pay, than no, it would be bad.

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hmm, you have a point KTC.

 

but then again, is it right for sex to be sold?

and the prostitutes themselves will live in shame.

True, when not legalized, prostitutes are already considered as a "very low class", how about now that they are out in the open? there is no denying that the sex industry has taken international dimensions and is recognized as an economic motor for many countries but shouldn't we put a stop to this and provide more wholesome affiliations for women?

 

by now, you might know what is my vote :)

hehe..

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The legal status of prostitution varies from country to country, from being a legal activity considered a profession to being punishable by death. In some jurisdictions prostitution is illegal. In other places prostitution itself (exchanging sex for money) is legal, but surrounding activities (such as soliciting in a public place, operating a brothel, and pimping) are illegal. In other jurisdictions prostitution is legal and regulated. ~WIKIPEDIA~

I dont agree if prostitution is legalized.

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@marie:

 

But the issue isn't 'is sex okay to be sold' which would make the question 'Is prostitution okay at all'.

 

It's 'is it right to legalize prostitution' saying prostitution already exists. And since it already exist, than we need to analyze the conditions of those prostitutes and what legalizing it means.

 

So again, you need to be much more specific, like an actual bill or example.

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I'm going to agree with KTC on this. If you're going to legalize prostitution, you'd have to make it to what KTC first describe. I don't see why it isn't legal already in most countries. It'd free up some space in prisons for those who actually make crimes.

 

Prostitution is legal in the UK, Netherlands, Germany, and Nevada. All those places have it regulated, none of them seem to really have any problems with it.

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There's a reason that prostitution is called the world's oldest trade...I don't think it'll ever be just stamped out. I think that if prostitution followed KTC's original suggestion (like it does in the Netherlands etc) that it'd be a whole lot safer for prostitutes and customers alike if it was legalized. I think realistically prostitution will occur whether it's legal or not (clearly as it does today) so I like the idea of making it safer for everyone involved.

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Prostitution will never just go away. Like the others have said, if it can be made safe, or safer, for the people involved... And as long as they are over the age of consent... I don't see why not.

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Is it right for sex to be sold?

 

NO

 

- Procurers/ pimps/madams should be put in jail.

 

- How on earth can such an act be safe?

 

- Prostitutes don’t live in shame. It’s what they do for a living.

 

- And All that “women fought to gain equality” for what?

 

- Even cleaning bathrooms is a way better job than getting laid for money, imo.

 

As for legalizing prostitution…

 

NO (Though it is legal in a couple of places and done illegally all around the world)

 

But make your question more lucid/clear plz.

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@lovinlife

 

It's actually easy to make prostitution safe. Just do what KTC said, make them have to get STD screening. Protect them from pimps as well as their customers, and you can create a safe environment.

 

As for, your 'women fought to gain equality' line, what if a woman wants to sell her body for money? What is it to you? It's like the porn industry, some people like doing it.

 

At least if you make it legal and regulate it, you can help stop girls from being forced into prostitution.

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@mopiece,

 

That’s easier said than done.

 

'Legal prostitution creates an atmosphere in this state in which women are not humans equal to them, are disrespected by men, and which then sets the stage of increased violence against women. In prostitution, women have sex with men they would never otherwise have sex with. The money thus acts as a form of force, not as a measure of consent. It acts like physical force does in rape' – Wiki. Need I say more?

 

That I can’t disagree with.

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@lovinlife

 

No, it's actually easy to do. The UK, the Netherlands, Germany, and Nevada have all legalized prostitution. And they don't have any problems with it.

 

Now, your quote is a horrible one and doesn't accurately describe legal prostitution. It also just sounds like some feminist argument. When prostitution becomes legal, the woman chooses to sell her body. They aren't forced to do so, which doesn't make them feel less than human.

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Arguments regarding only female prostitutes annoy me since there are male prostitutes. Please don't assume all prostitutes are female.

 

How can the act be safe: Well, how do people have safe sex hmm? STD checks, condoms, contraceptives, etc. etc. = safe sex.

 

Best way to not get STDs and other nasties is simply everyone-as in the whole human race- not to have sex at all. Would do wonders for the human overpopulation going on.

 

Prostitutes don’t live in shame. It’s what they do for a living.- hence why legalizing it would help them out by protecting them from pimps/customers, assuming the bill offers enough protection.

 

"And All that “women fought to gain equality” for what?" - what does this have to do with anything? There are male as well as female prostitutes around. And with proper legalizing, you can make sure people aren't being forced into prostitution. You'll make sure that the prostitutes are there because they want to and they are not going to get abused.

 

"Even cleaning bathrooms is a way better job than getting laid for money, imo. " - that's what you think. doesn't mean its true for all. Nor is it a good reason to not legalize prostitution.

 

Wiki never is a reliable source so take anything it states with a grain of salt, or in this case buckets of it. I agree with mopiece that the quote is horribly bias with no evidence backing it. A good wiki article is one that is as unbias as it can be.

 

This one obviously isn't.

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@mopiece,

 

That is just your own opinion about whether or not the countries have no problem with the fact that prostitution is legalized there. And I can’t really argue with it either cuz I don’t live in Nevada or any of the countries above.

 

So even if a woman does choose to sell her body, they still have their brutal, manipulative, formidable pimps/madams. Ever heard of pimps? Prostitutes work under em’. They can have a very abusive relationship. Pimps can coerce prostitutes into doing work them – now doesn’t that sound like being treated less human.

 

 

@KTC,

 

Precautions can always be taken before hand for safe sex. What about being safe while having sex? Cuz it’s just – you pay me, I sleep with you. – And the routine goes on.

 

 

Word to word said by a former Canadian prostitute when asked about making the act safe;

 

"Harm reduction ? You can’t make prostitution "safer”; prostitution is violence in itself. It is rape, the money only appeases men’s guilt" "One of the most “sex-positive” things you can do is make sure men cannot buy sex, because the buying of sex is violence against women and is a direct deterrent to women’s equality”

 

Call that horrible feminist quote. Fine. Say it sounds biased as she was a prostitute and isn’t one now. Totally fine. At least she was a person who actually experienced having sex with millions of people, and had to work under ruthless pimps. So she has every right to state it.

 

 

Even murder, rape, pedophilia, human trafficking, sex slave with no pay has always been there and always will, Does that really make it a justification to legalize them?

 

 

Then again, for the reason that it would reduce the amount of rough treatment/vehemence happening to prostitutes, legalizing and regulating it does make it better.

 

And male prostitutes do exist, its just that, it’s the female ones that have issues lol

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@lovinlife:

 

abusive pimps and all that: that's why proper legalizing would be required. To get protection from those bad ones and from bad customers.

Also, you're making an assumption that all pimps are bad. That's not true. That would be like saying all Christians are crazy fundies. There's plenty of bad ones mixed with the good.

 

sex: i don't follow your reasoning. There are contraceptives for before, during, and after sex. Or are you saying condoms (among other things) are not to be used during the actual act?

 

Canadian prostitute: Multiple problems with this example. First off, there's no context. Was she forced/tricked into prostitution or did she honesty wanted to become a prostitute. Was her pimp a good one or not? Second, this is the internet and I would like a reliable source for that quote. Anti prostitution sites don't make the cut for reliability.

 

Third, it's pretty obvious that if prostitution was legalized properly, than prostitutes would get protection from bad customers and pimps.

 

Rape murder, etc etc.: You're dragging a bad slippery slope fallacy into this. Don't do that.

 

'Good' prostitution assumes that both participants (the customer and prostitute) are consenting adults. Whatever sexual acts they do is completely consenting.

 

Murder, rape, pedophilia, sex slavery,etc however have at least one clearly non consenting person and therefore should be prevented.

 

Male prostitutes not having problems: *facepalm* google it, you'll find they have issues just like females.

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Personally, I feel really bad for them. Then again not really. I wouldn't want to have sex with a complete stranger. Prostitutes make women (and men) look bad. It IS NOT the correct way to make a living. >.> ... I just don't like the idea period. You have a whole life ahead of you, why use it to "get intimate" with people you DON'T even know?

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Never came across any nice procurers.

 

I’m saying, According to the ‘strategy document’, sex workers are among the most trivial and discriminated against in society, and that as a result of illicitly it is often difficult to reach sex workers with interventions such as condom promotion. – That does lead to HIV/aids.

& driving sex workers unruly and limiting their ability to choose working conditions and clients can increase the risk of HIV, according to some human right advocates. – Not very fair, and not really safe sex.

 

The prostitute: learned about it on “outlawing of buying sexual services” and when it comes to these things, I’m bit of a feminist. So by now you must be knowing my source.

 

I wasn’t dragging anything, but was stating something. Prostitution laws have been argued to affect trafficking flows.

 

If it has to be consenting, why is there all the resistant in the society?

 

I think you missed the sarcasm in the last sentence.

Sides, I don’t really wanna go to the male’s side of story. >.< females are complex enough xD

 

 

 

Lol. But in one night a lot can happen, even get you pregnant... Or worse. & how many nights can you stand anyway? ;P Just one night for me xD frankly, donno how prostitutes endure it.

 

@water, seriously, that is something to ponder about. I mean what would you do if.....ugh, nvm.

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@watershine

 

How do prostitutes make people look bad? It's their choice to sleep with those people, so why does it bother you?

 

@lovinlife

 

...when it comes to these things, I’m bit of a feminist. So by now you must be knowing my source.

 

So, you've just admitted you've pretty much only heard of biased material.

 

What is this "strategy document" you mention? Have a link?

 

You say that prostitutes are discriminated against, but you don't think that making it legal will help them? Legalizing prostitution will help end it, and will help them get access to condoms to avoid getting any STD and spreading any STD.

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Everyone – feminism is not a dirty word… there are many branches nowadays that want and fight for many different things but basically it wants for women to be treated with the same respect as men in all areas of life.

As for prostitution; I wouldn’t want to repeat what was already said. But I certainly do not believe that any girl or woman really wants it. How many girls grow up wishing to sell their intimacy to strangers, just try to imagine how horrible it is. After all the experience with people who value only what they can get for themselves from her body (even if it is a person who learns to be okay with loveless sex, still the fact is that a lot of the customers won’t be either attractive or nice or considerate to her) how can she still be emotionally healthy or even build a loving relationship with someone? They’d have to learn to become emotionally numb or take drugs (as some do too) to stand this kind of life. No amount of money really fixes it imo because some things, like self respect, should be more important than money. And there are still health risks too – condoms aren’t 100% safe. The fact that “it has always existed” isn’t an argument to me; many bad things exist among people but generally we still have some idea of what should and shouldn’t be tolerated or encouraged. Also it doesn’t seem to solve the issue of forced prostitution that still exists and would still exist in the case of legalizing prostitution too.

It’s sad that so many people really cannot find a job and then are desperate and it seems to them that this is the only way… but still I would hope that at least in civilized countries there are organizations that help people who got in difficult material situations (not sure how helpful they are in practice but I’ve read about them in my country) so that they can start again and have a normal life. I believe there are ways to survive that don’t involve sinking this low. Still it’s a shame and so sad that nowadays noone can be sure to find and keep a job to just have the basic things like apartment, water, electricity, food etc. :/

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@mopiece,

Being feminist isn’t being preconception or warp. As for the rest of your sentence, you’ve just assumed all that. Sure, keep it that way. Like I even care.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_workers_rights > “Sex workers’ rights and HIV debate” > you’ll find it.

 

Oh wait, if it’s biased according to you, then plz don’t waste your precious time reading it, as you said it- I ONLY hear, get my info from prejudiced material.

 

I did say prostitutes are discriminated, but I also said;

 

“Then again, for the reason that it would reduce the amount of rough treatment/vehemence happening to prostitutes, legalizing and regulating it does make it better.”

 

Doesn’t that sentence mean anything to you? And that for sure isn’t bigotry.

 

 

@Luz;

Feminism – yup. Though women are equally treated to men today & who said it was dirty? :P

 

Prostitution – Your opinion does have a not- very accurate point. lol

 

Edited to remove profanity. No swear words allowed, even if you use a bright color to try to hide it.

~Mopiece

 

@mopiece,

I had just apologized to you for being kinda rude. (the bad word was not directed to you!). And you edited it..?

uh ok.

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@Luz

 

No, not every girl wants to do it, but some girls do.

 

@lovinlife

 

I never said being a feminist was, I just said you've only heard of biased material.

 

Wikipedia again? Don't you have anything besides that? Wikipedia is good for an overview of a topic, and not much more. You shouldn't really be using it to defend your stance.

 

“Then again, for the reason that it would reduce the amount of rough treatment/vehemence happening to prostitutes, legalizing and regulating it does make it better.”

 

I never saw that. And I looked at your post again, you never mentioned that.

 

Now, I don't understand your stance. You admit that prostitutes are discriminated against and that legalizing it would help them, but your against legalizing it. This makes no sense.

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@luz:

 

I view prostitutes as the same who work in the porn industry: Some will want to do it and I respect their decision do it. I don't care about reasons for why they do it as long as they are not being forced into it. I care more about whether or not they are adequately protected, which is what legalizing it would do.

 

@lovinlife: you are making statements without presenting evidence. Wiki doesn't count.

 

Strategy document - I want a link to it or I'll assume its merely propaganda to be ignored.

 

the feminist word should not be tossed around here like candy. Why? because treating females as equal here would be to respect the prostitutes' decision and simply make sure that they are being protected. To not respect their decision means you are saying the prostitute requires extra care/cannot make decisions for his/her self and therefore isn't equal to you.

 

resistant: because its illegal in most places, those prostitutes are not being adequately protected meaning they are at the whim of their pimp and customer. As I've said numerous times, (seriously, are you even reading this to completion?), legalizing prostitution properly would protect the prostitutes from their pimps/customers.

 

If you're not going to give the males equal attention as females, you're being sexist against males. Not all prostitutes are women and males should be included in any prostitution debate.

 

Wiki: By its very nature, Wiki is not and was never a reliable source. It's good for a starting point, but you would be marked down a lot if you tried to present wiki as a source for a research paper.

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@KTC

 

First thing, I’m not really doing that; I used WIKIPEDIA , for the Strategy document - So as a result, my statements/evidences I bet will likely be ignored. I posted the link in my previous post, if you still wanna check it out.

 

Second of all, when was I not respecting prostitutes’ decisions & claiming prostitutes require extra care?

 

^ The Canadian prostitute’s point of view was stated in a feminist column, WIKIPEDIA again.

 

So any need of posting the link to it here?

 

Thirdly, Resistant:-

 

“Prostitution remains one of the leading vectors for AIDS infection. This is true in the case of both legal and illegal prostitution...” - http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001315

 

And this time it wasn’t wiki.

 

Though it’s a con, it is a fact.

 

So making prostitution legal or not, still wouldn’t change anything.

 

And yes, I did & always do read everything to a completion, word to word.

 

Fourthly, Oh JOY, so I’m biased when I get info from wiki. I can’t call myself bit of a feminist, cuz it’s a too strong word, & my views aren’t totally alike as theirs. And now I’m sexist, just because I’m too tired to start another whole argument regarding male prostitutes.

 

Ok. Cool.

 

As for the last point, KTC, I don’t really give a crap if I’m marked down or up or in anyway. But just to prove that wiki isn’t some kind of a distort chauvinism, and isn’t something I always rely on; I did state;

“According to the ‘strategy document’, sex workers are among the most trivial and discriminated against in society, and that as a result of illicitly it is often difficult to reach sex workers with interventions such as condom promotion. – That does lead to HIV/aids.” "driving sex workers unruly and limiting their ability to choose working conditions and client’s increase the risk of HIV, according to some human right advocates”

 

^got that from WIKIPEDIA– a very non reliable site, as you said.

 

Yet, Now, did a lil surfing & look what I found on another site;

 

“Clearly, the spread of AIDS would be reduced by the decriminalization of prostitution services.”

 

^ http://www.fff.org/freedom/1293e.asp - see something common between the statements ?

 

“These laws [criminalizing acts associated with prostitution], and the way in which they’re enforced, push sex workers into situations that put their health and safety at risk, and leave them open to stigma and discrimination, violence, and possible exposure to HIV”

 

^http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000108 – again, the statements were similar.

 

So if you still wanna call wiki a very nature, unreliable site…Go ahead.

 

@mopiece,

I think those irrelevant questions are already answered.

 

It’s stated on post #15.

 

A person can have two views about something, but that doesn’t necessarily make them a hypocrite.

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