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Is there a specific timeline for the Aveyond games? I know AP comes first but what next?

 

Also, why is it every single time I play a new game for Aveyond, you guys always change the maps?! That makes me so confused!

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The maps are always so different...Aveyond 1 is nowhere like Aveyond 2!

 

If the timelines are long enough maybe continents drift :)

 

I always assumed it went Ahriman's, Rhen's Quest, Ean's Quest, and not LoT...witht he assumption of a lot of time between each! (I guess Te'ijal and Galahad stay alive for crazy amounts of time without souls? I'm not sure how that works)

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I think it's safe to assume that it's Ahriman's Prophecy, Rhen's Quest, Ean's Quest, Lord of Twilight.

 

I also think I read somewhere that AP and Av1 are 30 years apart. And also, I think LoT takes place about 300 years after Av1. Me and a friend think it's safe to assume that Av2 takes place around 150 years after Av1, but I'm starting to think it's 170.

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There is an explanation in AV1 about the change in maps between AP and AV1. Alot of the area in AP was destroyed.

 

Also, you can just think of it as a really big world that we don't always all of during each game.

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you could look closely at galahads age in the LoT game. he is 337. he can get to be that old because he was turned into a vampire. in aveyond1 he was human. so there must be a 300 year difference in LoT and aveyond1.

ooo and @elemental, i would also like to know why 170...

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Well, Av1 takes 30 years after AP. And it's mentioned in Av2 that it's around 200 years after Av1. And seeing how Uthar is Edward's grandfather, I'm guessing around 80-100 years?

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@jayshe: it's implied their immortal or at least realllly long lived (since teijal's about 800+years and she looks very good for her age ;))

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um... I don't really think about the timeline that much, but the maps are a bit confusing for me too. Some of the maps are a bit similar, and the woods in the Underworld are the same as the ones in Av2.

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I have a theory about this, and it's this — AV2 is secretly a prequel. Hear me out. 

When you look at the maps, you can see how things have changed a bit but are still recognizable. Most notably the Eastern Empire in Av1 and Av3 — the islands have shuffled, Mt Orion is now in the middle and no longer on the Eastern Isle, but Veldarah is there in both, as are Sedona and Clearwater, and you can see how these places have a more modern look in AV3. 
Now, in AV1 everything around Thais has been destroyed, so nothing there to compare. But, the Thais lands can be seen in AP and in AV3, where again we can see that some things have changed but it's still the same place. Devinshire has become Harbourg. The Bleach Tooth desert is now a beach, where Stormbend is. Tar Vedron has moved but it's still a desert island, Venwood and Faiara are where they're supposed to be, Glenvale up north is now the Istir forest. Witchwood is a little fudged, but it's there too. And would you look at that, some unnamed islands... roughly where Zorom's fortress was. Almost like it was destroyed and split into smaller islands.

A lot of other things are really similar too, like the vineyard west of Thais is till there in both(under s different name, but there) the Thais Mountain Pass is there to the east. So yeah stuff's moved around a bit, but if you've been there in one game, the locations feel familiar and new at the same time, which is what you want. 

But now we get to AV2. Whose map is almost entirely different, save for a few things. It's clearly not the Eastern Empire, and we're obviously in the Thais lands. But nothing is familiar!

Except...

Candar. 

That's the secret. 

Candar is a kingdom west of Thais in AP, but it's nowhere to be seen in AV3. Easy explanation, everything around Thais was blasted between AP and AV1, so stuff had to be rebuilt. But it's there in AV2. And not just it, but the Thais Mountain Pass to the east (still called Greystone Pass), and the ice kingdom to the north (at the moment called Sheanlir).  No Venwood, but there is Verashema, still a town of elves, that, as the other places I mentioned, could have changed its name.

This is the only explanation that makes sense to me. The AV2 map bears the most resemblance to the AP map -- eventually Verashema became Venwood, Bogwood became Witchwood, Thais and Candar remained, the mountain pass and Shaenlir remained as well. It's completely nonsensical to assume the Thais world went from AP to AV2 to AV3. That would mean that Venwood changed its name to Verashema, then back to Venwood, and that Witchwood changed to Bogwood and back again, that somehow Tar Vedron disappeared, only to reappear again. No, it's very clear that the transition was from AP to AV1 to AV3, there's no room for such a drastic shift in between. 

So... this means that AV2 is either at the end or the beginning of the timeline, and Candar proves it to be a prequel, because again it makes no sense for Candar to be there in AP, disappear in AV3, but then suddenly reappear in AV2. 

Another clue is Ava One-Eye. In AV2 Ean meets and recruits her, but in AV1 Rhen finds a map to "Pirate One-Eye's Treasure". Ava does not look old enough to have been alive during Rhen's youth if we assume our Rhen is Uthar's ancestor. Therefore, AV2 must take place before AV1, to give Ava time to bury a treasure and make a map of it.

 

 IN CONCLUSIO


Here is the timeline: 

  • Ahriman first rises to power, reins destruction and is eventually defeated
  • One of the daughters of the Oracle, Hepitus the Nymph of Wickedness corrupts Ishtar, the Nymph of Compassion to turn her into the Snow Queen, bent on taking over the world.
  • The Snow Queen kidnaps the elf Iya from the Vale in order to absorb her power and freezes all the local monarchs. 
  • Iya defeats her with some help (yes I know the game has Ean's name on it, but come on Iya is the protagonist here). The current crown prince is Uthar Pendragon, reigning monarch is his father Teor Pendragon. 
  • Years pass. Talia Maurva and Devin Perry leave their small town to enroll in the School of War and Magic
  • Ahriman is resurrected by Lord Zorom, the second prince of Candar, only to be foiled by Talia, Devin and Alicia Pendragon, the princess of Thais. This does not kill him permanently but it slows his return
  • Talia becomes The Dreamer
  • Devin and Alicia marry and have a daughter named Rhen
  • Ahriman is resurrected again (for real this time), reins destruction again, destroys until nothing but Thais remains in that part of the world.
  • Alicia dies in the siege of Thais, Rhen is taken away in secret by a trusted general and raised in Clearwater as a peasant 
  • The druids are turned to stone
  • Talia flees and finds Rhen
  • Rhen is kidnapped and sold as a slave, later becoming a sword singer. 
  • Rhen defeats Ahriman (for real this time), restores the druids, does whatever ending you chose, but eventually returns to Thais to be a queen when she's ready.  
  • Mordred Darkthrop is killed by his son
  • Many years pass, and Rhen's descendant, Edward is the crown prince of Thais. He meets a street urchin named Mel and they embark on an adventure to foil the vampire Gyendal and find the Orbs of Magic
  • Edward and Mel (or whoever you ship him with) almost marry, but are thwarted by Lydia, a Thais mage, who usurps the throne. 
  • Edward and Mel recover the missing orb and get the kingdom back (referring to AV3-3, a complete filler game I usually skip on replays)
  • Edward becomes king of Thais. 
  • Mel discovers she has magic. She and Edward go back to the Eastern Empire to study in Shadwood Academy. Her ancestor Mordred Darkthrop tries to use her to take over the world. Edward and company thwart him.  
  • Edward marries whoever it is you ship him with.  

THE END
 
I mean AV4 happens after that, but it's in the future and in another place entirely, it has nothing to do with Thais, the Pendragons or anything else in this timeline. It's pretty much standalone. 
 

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I did just replay AV2  before posting this (and it's the reason I even found this thread) and she was not mentioned at all, neither by Uthar or by anyone else. It's possible I've missed it, if you can point out where this happens I'll try to get there to that point and check what exactly was said. 

But, even if that was the case, in AP and AV1 Ahriman is resurrected. Meaning he was alive and defeated before, which is why he's that's where my timeline starts. And you know, Rhen is a princess, so it's not unreasonable to assume she was named after a previous queen, as is standard practice. Maybe our Rhen was named after the great queen who lived centuries ago and slew Ahriman the first time. I don't think it's out of character for Alicia to name her daughter after a badass warrior queen.

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Hi @RedButterfly33, It's been a really long time since I played AV2, but all the other games are still fresh in my head, so bear with me... I don't remember if Rhen was mentioned in AV2 either like @scrivener pointed out. It's possible Rhen was mentioned in that game if you read the bookshelves in Thais, but I'm totally spacing out here, and now feeling like replaying AV2 just to confirm. xD

A couple other notable characters from AV2 to also consider are Jack and Ella. Jack's about 214 years old according to his profile in AV2 (going off of memory btw). In AP, he's on the wanted posters and described to be about 14-18 years old. So he basically a statue for 200 years. Also in AP, one of the side quests is to save Ella from her wicked step-family and to marry her to the Prince of Candar. By AV2, we have Princess Ella the IV, who very likely is a direct descendant of the first Ella.  But to be frank though, there's a lot of loose ends in these games. :D  So if there's theories you have in mind or particular characters you ship, you can't really go wrong at this point. It may never be cannon, but there's room for interpretation. Though it's definitely a stretch to consider AV2 a prequel even though the maps for AP and AV2 were similar. 

As for the land masses moving around, we only get a little bit of info mentioned in a couple of the games. Like for example, Aveyond (the place), it's mentioned a couple times by NPCs that "it will show up for those in need." After playing all the games (and overanalyzing a bunch lol), I suspect, Aveyond is a) its own realm that never stays in one spot, b) some kind of living entity that moves freely on its own,  c) will be moved around by the Oracle whenever she feels like it, or d) all of the above. Same goes with Mysten Far and possibly the druid temples. Another example is New Witchwood in AV1. One of the witches says that the original (AP) Witchwood was destroyed by a demon (presumably Ahriman), so they resettled in the sludge-less witch village. It's not really obvious if New Witchwood dropped the "New" by AV3, and just became Witchwood again, or if the original Witchwood was restored after Rhen became Queen. Maybe it is also renamed Bogwood by AV4? dunno. Again, we just never get a full explanation for this. Overall, it was up to Rhen to "unite the kingdoms", so maybe she worked the map like a jigsaw puzzle and assembled it to look like the AP map? again, dunno. lol

Also, at some point during AV3, there's a distinction made between the Arista isles and Mainland lands (can't remember if the mainland continents have a name, sorry) , once Mel has to travel abroad to learn magic. She goes from the Mainland, to Eldrion, and then finally to the Arista Isles where a lot of familiar towns from AV1 are found. I think it's safe to assume Candar would likely be on the Mainland continents, but just served no purpose for AV3. Likely because Edward's love life was an utter mess, so no happy Candar ending for him lol 

Overall, seems like the gods (and goddesses) can peacefully move around land, but so can evil entities that can level and displace everything, too. Or maybe both good and bad deities just violently pull apart land and could care less about what happens to the little people living on them? 

And I agree with AV4 having little overlap with the rest of the series. I only found a few small tidbits from the other games in AV4. I really had to look hard to find any relationship between games and made my own stretches too. There wasn't much of a timeline either aside for...*highlight b/c spoilers*: Ahriman is mentioned a couple times by the elder trees, The Mist is in pretty much referenced in all the games and we find out it's a realm of it's own, Ingrid (or a descendant of hers with the same name) is in Witchwood in AV3, Hercules showing up yet *again* despite existing for hundreds of years, the demon Baal is likely also the same angry blue dragon Baal in AV3.2, (and my favorite) the golden statues of the sword singer are likely depictions of Rhen ascending after death and becoming some godly figure, and also Boyle Wolfbane the Horrible has a 99% chance of being a Pendragon...Oh and the squirrels evolved to the point that they have advanced military tech and can take over the world. lol 
 

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Rhen IS mentioned in AV2 - Uthar talks about how his great-grandmother Rhen Pendragon wrote about Aveyond just before sending Ean and the gang there. Also, Te'ijal and Galahad cameo in the game and Galahad tells Ean about how Te'ijal made him a vampire - so it's clearly after that happened in AV1.

Anyway, I think Amanda's mentioned at some point that just because we don't see a certain continent or city in an AV game doesn't mean it doesn't still exist - it just means that certain area isn't important in that particular game.

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